I think fair distribution is the nature of growth in organisms. in animals who continue their period of growth into childhood, the ‘idea’ of fair distribution is residual. The provider mirrors this in their distribution, most likely the mirroring is caused by ques to prompt nurture which begin with chemical ques given by the child ‘in vivo’ [To highlight the susceptability of in vitro nurture to prompting, i check the example of the parasitical cuckoo] Growth does however come to an end and the relationship ends. In social groups where relationships remain throughout the lifetime, the reaction to form as ‘grown’ may have been subverted. I suggest that givers in a social hierarchy learn to modify their mirroring, as care is given by extended members with designated roles which compete. Harm is then expressed by a ‘cheated’ recipient to appeal to the group which highlights this negative affectation; essentially challenging the care giver as unfit by their experience of low status. It is only an appeal, and if the reciever has grown or his status is itself not established (ie offspring of present or incumbent alpha) then his appeal is dismissed. the basis of the appeal is to the group at large which has changing roles and statuses and of course this is a further opportunity to prompt giving after growth. Fairness in human society is of course more complex. We have introduced generational statuses like kings and aristocratic landowners, in fact ownership in the abstract. So when people appeal to fairness, even though they are grown, we apply a complex set of status phenomena which we choose to apply or not. Large societies have conflict in these status phenomena so they also have conflict in considering the appeal. A flood of conflicting responses is then utilised by the reciever in order to receive after growth. aka your in your thirties, borrowing off your parents and blaming politics. Responding to the appeal can no longer be about growth (arguably) because of the division of property and its demarcation. So you can try to prompt the care giver by alluding to a neccessity to grow in a specific way, ie higher education in order to enter a generational social status or ride the wave of an incumbent status. Thus begins the game where the powerful attempt to modify the relationship in order to remain in power as the alpha would utilise his dominance to control changing statuses. The power in our society is provided by working parents, their incentive is driven by prompting to recieve after growth and the prompts are given force by those that benefit from the work. I could literally go on forever about the implied contracts between all dependent classes, be it children, adult children, rich people and other narcissists, but I’ve already written too much. again i love the episodes. martin.
thedawdler
· March 29, 2019 at 2:50 pm
Glad you (still) like the episodes!
I agree that fairness is more complicated and nuanced in human societies than it is in, say, other primate social groups. My tendency is always to try to understand the phenomena by seeing if there’s any “first principles” that initiate the later derived behavior. For me, it helps anchor concepts to underlying processes. Not to say I’m right. Just to say it helps me understand.
Preeeetty self-explanatory this time. Ryan goes over 10 things he hates, doesn’t like, despises, etc., in nonfiction books. Harland does his best to disagree. Next episode: 10 things Ryan hates about devil’s advocacy! Jk. -Dawds Read more…
Whoo boy! Ryan is back in the swing of things with his kids in school and sports and ballet and covid and everyone’s FREAKIN OUT! Harland is on a journey through the red states lookin’ Read more…
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martin · March 26, 2019 at 11:35 am
I think fair distribution is the nature of growth in organisms. in animals who continue their period of growth into childhood, the ‘idea’ of fair distribution is residual. The provider mirrors this in their distribution, most likely the mirroring is caused by ques to prompt nurture which begin with chemical ques given by the child ‘in vivo’ [To highlight the susceptability of in vitro nurture to prompting, i check the example of the parasitical cuckoo] Growth does however come to an end and the relationship ends. In social groups where relationships remain throughout the lifetime, the reaction to form as ‘grown’ may have been subverted. I suggest that givers in a social hierarchy learn to modify their mirroring, as care is given by extended members with designated roles which compete. Harm is then expressed by a ‘cheated’ recipient to appeal to the group which highlights this negative affectation; essentially challenging the care giver as unfit by their experience of low status. It is only an appeal, and if the reciever has grown or his status is itself not established (ie offspring of present or incumbent alpha) then his appeal is dismissed. the basis of the appeal is to the group at large which has changing roles and statuses and of course this is a further opportunity to prompt giving after growth. Fairness in human society is of course more complex. We have introduced generational statuses like kings and aristocratic landowners, in fact ownership in the abstract. So when people appeal to fairness, even though they are grown, we apply a complex set of status phenomena which we choose to apply or not. Large societies have conflict in these status phenomena so they also have conflict in considering the appeal. A flood of conflicting responses is then utilised by the reciever in order to receive after growth. aka your in your thirties, borrowing off your parents and blaming politics. Responding to the appeal can no longer be about growth (arguably) because of the division of property and its demarcation. So you can try to prompt the care giver by alluding to a neccessity to grow in a specific way, ie higher education in order to enter a generational social status or ride the wave of an incumbent status. Thus begins the game where the powerful attempt to modify the relationship in order to remain in power as the alpha would utilise his dominance to control changing statuses. The power in our society is provided by working parents, their incentive is driven by prompting to recieve after growth and the prompts are given force by those that benefit from the work. I could literally go on forever about the implied contracts between all dependent classes, be it children, adult children, rich people and other narcissists, but I’ve already written too much. again i love the episodes. martin.
thedawdler · March 29, 2019 at 2:50 pm
Glad you (still) like the episodes!
I agree that fairness is more complicated and nuanced in human societies than it is in, say, other primate social groups. My tendency is always to try to understand the phenomena by seeing if there’s any “first principles” that initiate the later derived behavior. For me, it helps anchor concepts to underlying processes. Not to say I’m right. Just to say it helps me understand.